Comments on: Our Role in God’s Kingdom Part 2 http://wspc.ca/2009/01/12/our-role-in-gods-kingdom-part-2/ Pentecostal Church Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:50:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Diana Witbeck http://wspc.ca/2009/01/12/our-role-in-gods-kingdom-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Diana Witbeck Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:46:38 +0000 http://wspc.ca/?p=52#comment-21 Wayne, good to hear what you have to say. How about coming back to church when i'm there and letting us all give you a big hug???! Wayne, good to hear what you have to say. How about coming back to church when i’m there and letting us all give you a big hug???!

]]> By: Wayne Welden http://wspc.ca/2009/01/12/our-role-in-gods-kingdom-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Wayne Welden Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:49:59 +0000 http://wspc.ca/?p=52#comment-14 As for Gifts of the Spirit... I have had the blessing to have been given different ones on different occasions and for a propose(HIS). I believe we have to be careful that it is God preforming the gift through us and not us preforming the gift. I guess this is what Christ meant when he said "Not all who call me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.etc.etc." Those people he says he did not know were those preforming gifts without God working through them. I am sure be used of God again in the future with gifts of the Spirit, I just hope I will be open to allow God to work His gifts through me at that time. As for Gifts of the Spirit… I have had the blessing to have been given different ones on different occasions and for a propose(HIS). I believe we have to be careful that it is God preforming the gift through us and not us preforming the gift. I guess this is what Christ meant when he said “Not all who call me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.etc.etc.” Those people he says he did not know were those preforming gifts without God working through them. I am sure be used of God again in the future with gifts of the Spirit, I just hope I will be open to allow God to work His gifts through me at that time.

]]> By: Wayne Welden http://wspc.ca/2009/01/12/our-role-in-gods-kingdom-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Wayne Welden Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:48:09 +0000 http://wspc.ca/?p=52#comment-13 Here in is another issue is it what we do...presenting our bodies or making a decision for Christ or is God doing it in us. Just as Adam did not have to do anything to be in a holy relationship with God [God made him that way], all Adam did was have faith then lack of faith hence the fall. All we have to do is have faith and God does the work."Godliness [God's Kingdom] is the direct and exclusive consequence of God's activity in man. Not the consequence of your capacity to imitate God, but the capacity of God's capacity to reproduce Himself in you! This is the nature of the mystery." (pg 180, The saving Life of Christ and The Mystery of Godliness.By. Major W.Ian Thomas) This is a rather deep topic you have chosen to preach on and may God guide you in your words. So much of this is linked together God's Kingdom, Holiness, righteousness, Godliness, and carnel christian and spiritual christian. Now as for the political and communal implications, this would be a result of our inward transformation. Ephesians 2:11 "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the propose of him who worketh all things after the councel of his own will." All those things you talk about are a result of the transformation of our hearts. Here in is another issue is it what we do…presenting our bodies or making a decision for Christ or is God doing it in us. Just as Adam did not have to do anything to be in a holy relationship with God [God made him that way], all Adam did was have faith then lack of faith hence the fall. All we have to do is have faith and God does the work.”Godliness [God's Kingdom] is the direct and exclusive consequence of God’s activity in man. Not the consequence of your capacity to imitate God, but the capacity of God’s capacity to reproduce Himself in you! This is the nature of the mystery.”
(pg 180, The saving Life of Christ and The Mystery of Godliness.By. Major W.Ian Thomas) This is a rather deep topic you have chosen to preach on and may God guide you in your words. So much of this is linked together God’s Kingdom, Holiness, righteousness, Godliness, and carnel christian and spiritual christian.
Now as for the political and communal implications, this would be a result of our inward transformation.
Ephesians 2:11 “In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the propose of him who worketh all things after the councel of his own will.”
All those things you talk about are a result of the transformation of our hearts.

]]> By: Pastor Steve http://wspc.ca/2009/01/12/our-role-in-gods-kingdom-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Pastor Steve Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:57:40 +0000 http://wspc.ca/?p=52#comment-12 Hi Wayne, Thanks for your comments. I love it when people make me think. In both your recent comments you referred to Jesus' kingdom being "in our hearts". I worry that that removes the political and communal implications from it. To be sure, living in the kingdom starts with a renewed mind, but "presenting our bodies" is the place where the Kingdom of God challenges and transforms the kingdoms of this world. Hi Wayne,

Thanks for your comments. I love it when people make me think.

In both your recent comments you referred to Jesus’ kingdom being “in our hearts”. I worry that that removes the political and communal implications from it. To be sure, living in the kingdom starts with a renewed mind, but “presenting our bodies” is the place where the Kingdom of God challenges and transforms the kingdoms of this world.

]]> By: wayne welden http://wspc.ca/2009/01/12/our-role-in-gods-kingdom-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11 wayne welden Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:10:32 +0000 http://wspc.ca/?p=52#comment-11 Well I should of listened to this sermom before the other...my comments there apply here and in away are answered. The whole crux of your points centre on the Romans 12: 1-2. Holiness and living in Christ's righteousness is the only way to accomplish God's Kingdom in our hearts. The only way that God will in part His gifts to us. We are but dust before him, I believe that many in the church today donot understand where they stand in God and His mercy and grace and faith. This is one of the reasons that we don't see the gifts often in our walks or on the streets as in the days of old. Well I should of listened to this sermom before the other…my comments there apply here and in away are answered. The whole crux of your points centre on the Romans 12: 1-2. Holiness and living in Christ’s righteousness is the only way to accomplish God’s Kingdom in our hearts. The only way that God will in part His gifts to us. We are but dust before him, I believe that many in the church today donot understand where they stand in God and His mercy and grace and faith. This is one of the reasons that we don’t see the gifts often in our walks or on the streets as in the days of old.

]]> By: Bruce http://wspc.ca/2009/01/12/our-role-in-gods-kingdom-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-8 Bruce Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:49:03 +0000 http://wspc.ca/?p=52#comment-8 1. Contemporary ideas about religion and church, at least that of most evangelicals say that we are saved from hell and are going to heaven when we die. There is nothing to do in between, after all we are not saved by "works". I like your reference to the song 'Get In Plate' by Everybody Duck. We are good at giving money but when it comes to giving ourselves we fall short. We seem to forget all that Jesus did while he was on the earth and that he actually got His hands dirty. 2. One of the ways that the spirit of the age tries and often succeeds at squeezing me into its mold is through the squelching of free speech, whether in the church or elsewhere. We are told what to do, what to say without questioning the reason behind it. When I was growing up for example, my father had strict rules for our house. We were told that was the way it was and that was that. When I came into my teen age years I started to ask questions as to why we did this or did not do that. My father did not have an answer a lot of the time. He had done or not done certain things most of his life because that was what you do just as his father before him, but there was no basis for doing so. Many come to church in the same way, we do not have a biblical basis for what we do but we continue to do it because that is the way we have always done it. 3. I have been created in the image of God, need I say more? We have all been given gifts. We have all been created by the Creator to be creative, from the beginning when Adam was told by God to name all the animals and tend the garden, to today when we are to use those gifts which we have been given. 1. Contemporary ideas about religion and church, at least that of most evangelicals say that we are saved from hell and are going to heaven when we die. There is nothing to do in between, after all we are not saved by “works”. I like your reference to the song ‘Get In Plate’ by Everybody Duck. We are good at giving money but when it comes to giving ourselves we fall short. We seem to forget all that Jesus did while he was on the earth and that he actually got His hands dirty.
2. One of the ways that the spirit of the age tries and often succeeds at squeezing me into its mold is through the squelching of free speech, whether in the church or elsewhere. We are told what to do, what to say without questioning the reason behind it. When I was growing up for example, my father had strict rules for our house. We were told that was the way it was and that was that. When I came into my teen age years I started to ask questions as to why we did this or did not do that. My father did not have an answer a lot of the time. He had done or not done certain things most of his life because that was what you do just as his father before him, but there was no basis for doing so. Many come to church in the same way, we do not have a biblical basis for what we do but we continue to do it because that is the way we have always done it.
3. I have been created in the image of God, need I say more? We have all been given gifts. We have all been created by the Creator to be creative, from the beginning when Adam was told by God to name all the animals and tend the garden, to today when we are to use those gifts which we have been given.

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